List of what people have said to be to try to convince me Veganism was bad

Vegan Arguments

I want to dive deeper into why I have decided to be a more vocal vegan advocate. Previously I was a pretty quiet vegan, not wanting to bother anyone and wanting to make my own food choices without bothering others. I have found the lack of information and the misinformation people have about vegans is alarming. So I am creating a list of resources on my blog so that you can have everything you need for the vegan journey!

Since deciding to really focus my energy on not only being a better vegan but also spreading more information about being vegan, I have had seriously mixed reviews. My boyfriends was so supportive, he thinks it’s great I have passion and willing to eat anything I cook. I have had close friends tell me they are proud of me for standing up for my convictions. I have also had people point out every single time I have slipped up on my vegan journey, as a way to say I am not a “Real” vegan or to shame me? Why point out moments months ago when I wasn’t a vegan as an argument that somehow I shouldn’t be taken seriously as a vegan? From a friend, how is that supportive? From a not friend, does attacking my short comings help distract from your own moral inconsistencies about food?

Lets be honest. Being Vegan is alot like being the only one in th group who doesn’t drink. I am currently taking a break from alcohol and when I go out with friends I get the reactions: 

  • Oh just have one drink. 
  • Well I personally don’t have a drinking problem, let me tell you 4 ways I have cut back drinking
  • IS it ok if I drink around you?

Telling people you’re vegan is pretty similar.

  • Well you’re not like a real annoying vegan right, like if I make you food with milk in it you’ll still eat it right?
  • Well I personally don’t eat that much meat, I only eat meat for these reason and let me justify why it’s ok for me to sometimes support animals getting murdered
  • Are you going to be offended if I eat meat around you?

I am being a little bit of a drama queen, but why does everyone tell me they don’t eat that much meat. IF it was true for every person who tells me they dont eat that much meat, I swear there would be a lot more vegan options. Why do people have this need to justify their life choices to me as if my actions are somehow a judgement on them.

I think it is morally wrong to kill and eat animals. I am not judging you necessarily but I am grossed out and disappointed in out society. I understand we are all a host of walking contradictions. Now, you might argue that you don’t kill the animals yourself, but the reality is that if you’re eating them, you’re indirectly contributing to their death. In other words, to kill them with your own hands or to let someone else kill them for you is in essence one and the same thing. I admit, I used to be like that too. I would eat animals and their byproducts for almost every single day of my life, without really caring about the consequences of my eating habits. However, at some point I realized how much suffering was inflicted upon animals because of my dietary choices.

One of the funny things about avoiding meat or eating vegan is that you learn more about nutrition than you probably ever really cared to know. For some reason, this particular dietary choice is put up against constantly. 

My resources:

How to Go VEGAN a FREE Guide 

Vegan Thanksgiving FREE e-Book

Vegan Christmas FREE E-book (coming December 15)

How to be Vegan in a nonVegan house

Why I stopped Eating Fish

Why I stopped Eating Cheese

Why I stopped eating Eggs

EVERY Argument I have gotten against being Vegan and a Response

6 Week Vegan Challenge (coming January 17th) 

List of what people have said to be to try to convince me Veganism was bad

Here is my rational and reasoning for all the arguments that have been leveled against me by non vegans. I Love animals. Why would I kill them? That’s a question most people don’t seem to ever contemplate on.

Now, you might argue that you don’t kill the animals yourself, but the reality is that if you’re eating them, you’re indirectly contributing to their death. In other words, to kill them with your own hands or to let someone else kill them for you is in essence one and the same thing. I admit, I used to be like that too. I would eat animals and their byproducts for almost every single day of my life, without really caring about the consequences of my eating habits. However, at some point I realized how much suffering was inflicted upon animals because of my dietary choices.

  1. You don’t get enough protein on a vegan diet

Most americans eat too much protein! Also more people don’t know enough about Nutrition to have such extreme opinions about nutrition! Are you tracking your macros? Do you know how many grams of protein youre supposed to eat a day?

According to the Dietary Reference Intake report for macronutrients, a sedentary adult should consume 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight, or 0.36 grams per pound. That means that the average sedentary man should eat about 56 grams of protein per day, and the average woman should eat about 46 grams.

There is plenty of protein in plant foods, especially beans, legumes, pulses, grains, nuts, seeds, and some vegetables. Make sure you have a quality plant protein powder or blend to help you get enough protein in your diet. Space your meals out every 3-4 hours to ensure you get regular protein feedings

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/protein-for-vegans-vegetarians

  1. You won’t get enough nutrients

Plants make all the nutrients we need, all the essential amino acids and precursors our body uses to make essential nutrients from. Legumes provide lots of protein, greens have calcium, seeds offer nice doses of iron, and so on.One single exception would be vitamin B12 – which is made by bacteria, not animals. The reason why omnivores aren’t very often deficient in this nutrient is that the animals they eat have been getting vitamin B12 supplements with their feed.

Where do you get your magnesium?

  1. You can’t live without meat

I have been a vegetarian since I was 10. I have not died from lack of meat.

Truth is, if you follow the evolutionary biological theory of ‘meat made us human’ (which has some gaps!) then you must also follow the evolutionary theory that people are what they needed to accomplish their purpose, which in the days of ‘becoming homo sapiens’ was simple: don’t get killed or die before you procreate. (Also, its protein that made the hanged in our brain chemistry, not meat specifically.) It’s just that animals were the easy way of getting tons of protein all at once, rather than having to spend all day gathering enough nuts, seeds and veg. But we don;t like in the eat quick or die phase of ourexistence anymore. ALSO we have developed food and calories on a scale never before emagined. We have a whole host of food sources with higher numbers of calories then we have ever been exposed to before (thus the growing obesity all over the world) Not only  do not NEED meat. We really don’t need the calories. 

So, riddle me this steak-lover: How come people who eat a plant-based diet live longer than those who eat a diet rich in animal-based foods?

  1. Bacon tho

We really shouldn’t be eating pigs. 

First Pig is not good for you. Especially bacon. According to the World Health Organization, processed meat like ham, bacon and sausage causes cancer. The International Agency for Research on Cancer actually classifies processed meat as a carcinogen, something that causes cancer. Researchers found that consuming 50 grams of processed meat each day raises your risk of colorectal cancer by a very significant 18 percent.  There are reasons that the meat of the pig becomes more saturated with toxins than many of its counterpart farm animals. The first reason has to do with the digestive system of a pig. A pig digests whatever it eats rather quickly, in up to about four hours. On the other hand, a cow takes a good 24 hours to digest what it’s eaten. During the digestive process, animals (including humans) get rid of excess toxins as well as other components of the food eaten that could be dangerous to health. Since the pig’s digestive system operates rather basically, many of these toxins remain in its system to be stored in its more than adequate fatty tissues ready for our consumption.

This comment usually comes directly after a combative stranger finds out I’m vegan. Believe it or not, I haven’t tried to convert them, nor pulled out my picket sign for a protest. Usually, I don’t even say a word. Sure, I could argue this point effectively, but what’s the use? This comment isn’t meant to be a dialogue; it’s meant to shame me into admitting my dietary inadequacies. 

Second pigs are like dogs with DNA super close to humans. Not only can pigs learn to play computer gaems, they can learn more tricks then dogs! The mirror test – an experiment developed in 1970 by psychologist Gordon Gallup Jr to measure self-recognition – has been passed by very few non-human animals. Even children are not capable of passing the mirror test until they are about two years old. Dogs and cats never have and probably never will be able to pass. Great apes, bottlenose dolphins, elephants, and magpies, however, show their capacity for self-awareness by passing the mirror test.  But what about the pig? A study done at the University of Cambridge seems to show that pigs are capable of understanding that it is not a foreign pig they are looking at in the mirror – something most animals are not capable of moving beyond. Generally, non-human animals who see themselves in a mirror will react to their reflection as if it is an animal they have never seen before. Pigs also show an understanding of how mirrors work by using the reflected images to search their surroundings to find food. What clever pigs! 

Pigs can develop deep friendships. pigs are capable of forming lasting bonds with both pigs as well as other species. Pigs are known to constantly communicate with each other and mother pigs even sing to their young while nursing. And as for humans, maybe pigs should be man’s new best friend! There are countless stories of pigs saving their guardians lives in various situations, from heart attacks to house fires. But don’t give up your dogs just yet. Pigs and dogs are actually capable of getting along quite well!

So you would take an animal who has a life span of 20 years, kill it after 7 months  so you can enjoy your Bacon. Ok but you’re awful tho. 

  1. Chickens lay eggs anyway

Yes but the problem is using an animal as a commodity! 

Chickens do not produce eggs for humans to eat, they produce them as part of their natural reproductive cycle. To take eggs from chickens for profit or sustenance is exploitation, which is not permissible for those following a vegan lifestyle.

breeding chickens for eggs is ethically akin to breeding humans in order to harvest their fingernails. Sure, we don’t really need our fingernails, but we can agree breeding a person just for their fingernails would be exceptionally lame — almost as lame as the conditions would probably be in the hypothetical factory farms full of millions of fingernail-growing humans.

For some vegans, it’s the conditions in heavily industrialized egg farms that makes our consumption of eggs unethical, but even smaller farms are problematic by the standards of most:  Even hens who live on small, outdoor, ‘humane’ farms are usually killed after two to five years, as their egg production naturally goes down as they age, It is a simple fact that farmers, whose bottom line is profit, won’t continue to spend money feeding birds who are not producing a large number of eggs for them to sell.

  1. Cows make milk anyway

Besides humans (and companion animals who are fed by humans), no species drinks milk beyond their natural age of weaning or drinks the milk of another species. Cow’s milk is suited to the nutritional needs of calves, who have four stomachs and gain hundreds of pounds in a matter of months—sometimes weighing more than 1,000 pounds before they’re 2 years old. Cow’s milk does not suit the nutritional needs of humans, so it’s no wonder that consuming it and its derivatives causes us so many problems.

In order to keep producing milk for humans, dairy cows have to become pregnant and have calves. This is done forcibly, typically through artificial insemination.  Calves are generally taken away from their mothers within 24 hours of birth, causing immense distress for both mother and calf. Both have been seen to cry out  for each other as they are separated. The mother has to endure this happening 4 or 5 times  before she is considered ‘spent’.  Males, who are of little use to the dairy industry, are either killed shortly after birth or sent away to be reared for veal, while females follow the fate of their mothers – milked continually throughout their lives.  The unnaturally high production of milk leaves dairy cows susceptible to mastitis , a painful udder infection. In severe cases of the infection, the cows are killed. This happens in great numbers, as mastitis is the most common cause for ‘premature culling’ according to AHDB Dairy. Meanwhile, many suffer lameness  due to their unnatural surroundings. They are generally kept indoors for at least half of the year. Life expectancy of a dairy cow is less than a quarter of its natural lifespan; dairy cows are considered spent between 7 -8 years at which age they are slaughtered. If allowed to exist free of exploitation and slaughter, however, dairy cows can live 25 years or more.  Farms exist for profit, not to make sure the wants and needs of cattle are met. Even when welfare standards are higher than normal, cows and calves still have to endure eventual separation, are used and not respected, and they all die long before their time. Veganism is about neither using nor abusing non-humans, who all have a right to life and freedom. These animals cannot consent to being raised for milk and meat. Whatever conditions we keep them in, farming them is always an abuse of power.

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan/dairy-industry

  1. We need to support sustainable farming

I understand this argument. And if you’re going to eat meat, it better come from small local farmers and animals not being fed grain and soy and corn. Your’e still killing an animal for a meal. A dairy cow that can live for 20 years, we kill it and eat its meat after 8 months so you can have 20 minuets of enjoyment, you deprive that cow of 19 years of living? Dairy cows live roughly 5 years. Pigs live over 20 years but we kill and eat them at 7 months. Chickens live up to 15 years but most factory farms only keep laying chickens alive for 20 months. 

Sources:

https://www.four-paws.us/campaigns-topics/topics/farm-animals/life-expectancy

  1. SOY IS BAD FOR YOU

Soy milk is a popular dairy replacement, soy sauce is a staple in Asian cuisine, and tofu is common in most healthy diets. It has become an additive in breakfast foods, protein products, and breads. It is a common meat substitute for burgers and hot dogs in the vegetarian community. Proven research supports its benefits, while new studies may show the dangers of soy. So, what is real? Japan and China are countries that have always been known for their high soy consumption. Their populations have lower rates of heart disease and various cancers than Western countries. The average daily soy intake in these Asian countries is 9 to 10 grams. But the controversy began in the 1940s with a study recorded in the Australian Veterinary Journal. Soy was found to contain isoflavones; naturally occurring estrogenic compounds that may cause negative effects. The study indicated that sheep who grazed on isoflavone-rich clovers experienced fertility issues and breeding problems. Current scientists are also exploring the possibility of isoflavones stimulating the growth of breast cancer cells. The fact that 90% of all the soy produced is a GMO (genetically modified organism) may be problematic. Some GMO soy products have been found to contain residue from glyphosate, a globally used herbicide, which detracts from its nutritional profile. With soy being present in popular health-conscious items like cereals, smoothies, and energy bars, researchers worry that too much soy might be dangerous. Continued research hopes to provide a more accurate insight into the benefits and side effects of this contentious Asian bean. 

Soy is a unique food that is widely studied for its estrogenic and anti-estrogenic effects on the body. Studies may seem to present conflicting conclusions about soy, but this is largely due to the wide variation in how soy is studied. Results of recent population studies suggest that soy has either a beneficial or neutral effect on various health conditions. Soy is a nutrient-dense source of protein that can safely be consumed several times a week, and is likely to provide health benefits—especially when eaten as an alternative to red and processed meat.

You can hate soy, and maybe you have an allergy or it affect you personally different, there are plenty of ways to avoid soy and be still be vegan.

https://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/040114p52.shtml

  1. I am like a lion!

We are hardly built like a lion or wolf. Anatomically, our digestive systems much more closely resemble herbivores’. However, that’s beside the point. Biologically, humans aren’t meant to fly, swim underwater for forty-five minutes, or sit in chairs for hours a day. Furthermore, considering dairy products, admittedly different but probably applicable, in no way are we “meant” to nurse from another species or as adults. However,  I find it’s just easier to note that animals weren’t meant to be domesticated, bred into unnatural oddities, and raised as they are now.

  1. The morality of a behavior is decided by society.

Ok good lets be better humans and stop killing animals.

Rights are an abstract human construction to guarantee a life of justice and fairness which leads to a better legal and moral system. Animals, for obvious reasons, cannot comprehend what a right is, similar to a child. Both animals and children have moral worth deserving of their right to be safe and live life in their subjective way. We understand that we can’t hold animals morally accountable for their actions but why should that be the metric for giving it moral rights? Would we hold a 3-year-old child morally accountable if he slaps an adult? No, most of us wouldn’t, but just because children don’t have moral accountability, it doesn’t mean we can strip them of their right to safety, life, and freedom from abuse. Similarly with animals, we should not deprive them of their right to live without being subjugated to abuse. How do we decide which rights to give to animals would that be an arbitrary decision? If we decide which rights are helpful for animals based on the consequences of establishing them, it wouldn’t be arbitrary. If we give animals the right to own property, for example, what benefit would that give them? None, the animal would be indifferent to it, no benefit and no harm. What about the right to life and be free from captivity and suffering? We can evidently calculate the consequences of applying this right. As we established, animals have the capacity to suffer, hence why this right would mean that animals would be free and live their intended life without being subjugated to physical or emotional abuse, making this a clearly beneficial right.

https://medium.com/curious/the-moral-case-for-veganism-3795c1e76bc9

  1. A vegan diet is, or may be, unhealthy.

Any diet can be unhealthy!

  1. Plant-based agriculture still causes harm to animals.

This argument is as annoyingas the but plants feel pain too BS. So we agree killing things causes pain? Great you agree with me. Don’t eat meat!

If you want more info on this, this site does a great job!

https://www.surgeactivism.org/articles/debunked-do-vegans-kill-more-animals-through-crop-deaths

  1. Not everyone can be vegan; it’s an elitist stance.

What complete nonsense.

Elitism involves promoting a perceived superiority of some sort. It involves the idea of according less moral value to the “inferior.”

As 2 seconds of thinking make clear, veganism is not elitist in any way. On the contrary. Veganism is about rejecting the idea that it’s morally acceptable to exploit sentient nonhumans because they are “inferior.”

Nonvegans believe in the “inferiority” of animals. It is they who embrace elitism.

Should a vegan believe that s/he is “better than” or “superior” to a nonvegan? No, Of course not. It’s not about judging people; it’s about evaluating the morality of conduct.

Is the vegan ethic of egalitarianism better than or superior to the position that it is morally acceptable to exploit the vulnerable? Yes, of course it is. A moral position is always better than an immoral one. A position that protects fundamental rights is always better than one that violates fundamental rights.

To say that veganism is “elitist” is like saying that thinking that all humans are equal morally is “elitist.”

The next time someone tells you that veganism is “elitist,” take that opportunity to educate that person in a creative, nonviolent way that the opposite is true.

No medical condition is known to absolutely prevent being vegan. However, conditions like herpes, kidney failure, food allergies, irritable bowel syndrome, and anemia may make it much harder to be vegan. In some cases, it may be unsafe for those with autism or eating disorders to be vegan, too.

  1. Veganism is an arbitrary ethical line, or a slippery slope.

If you are arguing a slipper slope argument on anything, you have already lost. Veganism is a moral position that opposes exploiting and otherwise harming nonhuman animals. This includes what we do directly, such as hunting or fishing. It also includes what we support as consumers, which affects many more animals.

We have to draw lines somewhere and saying lets not exploit living things I think is a completely reasonable line!

What I wish I could ask all those people who send me angry anti-vegan comments, or people in my life who make back hand anti vegan jokes:

  1. If you love animals, why do you kill them?
  2. If my food choices make you this uncomfortable, what do you need to work on in your own actions?
  3. Have you ever tied to actually go vegan? And why wouldn’t you?